The Bookenz Cafe

Welcome to the Bookenz Cafe – a podcast, bookclub and all over show for working women and men who need to relax however remain interested in listening and learning to something different and new.

In this first podcast series, Judith and Kelly loosely share their stories (but more often their opinions!) about their interests, their reading/podcast/movie lists and their work (as business coaches & mentors). They invite you to view the world through their eyes and have a laugh with them along the way.

Through their online book club, Judith and Kelly ask questions, frame answers and then ask more questions about the wonderful worlld of books.

Ep 17 Education Futurism Part 1

Well, these next 2 podcast episodes are a cracker.

In this 2 part series, Judith shares her career through education (from nursing out of the UK with a backpack to, yes; becoming a Fulbright Scholar) and through the ways she has always been focused on “what’s next” in her job and certainly her world.

She talks about Lasado Ratios, civil disobedience, the Langley Institute and then buggers off to Tasmania for (another) holiday.

What we talked about?

  1. The Next Generation: Preparing Today’s Kids for an Extraordinary Future, Tony Ryan
  2. Fulbright Scholarships
  3. Losada Ratios (the positivity ratio)
  4. Freycinet National Park, Tasmania

Ep 16 Understanding the Mental Load

For all of the wrong (?) reasons, mental Load is so hot right now. In this podcast episode; we discussed mental load, perfectionism, listening and what to do if you’re a truly invisible.

No stone is left unturned as we hop around from the beauty of Dior, to the Design of Everyday Things, to “Angry Cleaning” (we totally recommend it!) and to the timeless classic in explaining the Time vs. Quality Curve. We hope you enjoy.

What we talked about?

  1. Ladies We Need to Talk – ABC Radio
  2. Time vs. Quality Curve
  3. Time: The Kalief Browder Story
  4. The Design of Everyday Things by Donald Norman
  5. Look Me in the Eye – SBS
  6. Dior & I

Ep 15 Affluenza

We absolutely loved our topic today and loved talking about Affluenza or the “painful, contagious, socially transmitted condition of overload, debt, anxiety and waste resulting from the dogged pursuit of more”.

Kelly explains how sometimes money makes you “stuck” and Judith tells us about the Barefoot Investor and how we can all have more by being more confident with the money that we have. Oh!, and we unravel the gender pay gap (it’s largely because of motherhood, right?), Jerks and Prince Boofheads. All in just over 20 minutes – racing!

What we talked about?

  1. The Gender Pay Gap Is Largely Because of Motherhood
  2. Book: The Prince Boofhead Syndrome
  4. The rich kids of social media.

Ep 14 Do we eat aggression?

It’s out – Kelly doesn’t cook and Judith (apparently) does. What a brand new box of Maltesers don’t count!! Shit!!

Judith explains her thesis and how our diet does contribute to aggression, aggressive behaviour and to the fact that 350 urine samples ended up in her home freezer. She talks banging desks, kicking filing cabinets and statistical significance in males that diet (particularly their intake of meat, dairy and bananas) contributes to aggression.

Judith talks about the time of her life and ‘I am Woman’ and Kelly rubbishes them – in favour of the Beastie Boys, Salt & Peppa and Transvision Vamp (long live the 1990’s). We talked about how pay inequality and full time roles punish men too and we finished on the challenge that too many women are still finishing as #2 and being punished for their ‘stumbles’ and missteps – pretty extreme!  

What we talked about?

  1. Judith’s Do we eat aggression?
  2. Why Women CEO’s aren’t CEO’s according to women who almost were
  3. The power of moments, Chip Heath
  4. Serotonin Eatery
  5. Ming Long– LinkedIn Profile (loneliness of women and women from a non-Anglo Saxon background)

Ep 13 The Power of Quiet

Have you ever wondered what actually unites some fabulous female comedy like what we are seeking in Get Krackin! and Utopia to the wonders of podcasting, coaching and the world of the quiet and introverted?

Well, in this podcast, we attempted to link them all and we think we did OK … or maybe we didn’t and it’s just the cluggy vegetable soup that Kelly made for the occasion. We hope you enjoy!

What we talked about:

  1. ABC Podcast Survey
  2. The Extraordinary Coach, John Zenger
  3. Wonder by R.J. Palacio
  4. The Power of Quiet, Susan Cain
  5. The current ABC iView shows (Get Krackin! Utopia) and Carly Findlay on You Cant Ask that (Facial Difference)

Ep 12 How we are ruining our kids

Judith shows her true commitment to the S-bend and her commitment to slowly, diligently and systematically ruining her kids. We debated the generational consequences of helicopter parenting (good and bad) and the hidden benefits of chores and unconditional love.

Emotional intelligence (EQ) is better than IQ for our kids so is our work ethic, cult movie nights with family and friends; calling them out when they are spending too much time on their phones!

What we talked about:

  1. 50 things that made the modern economy, Tim Harford
  2. Baulkham Hills African Ladies Troupe
  3. The Tipping Point, Malcolm Gladwell
  4. The Engaging Generation (i-gen) poster
  5. Humans of New York

Ep 11 Cheese & Crackers

Is planning actually better than doing? Is vacating better than working? Is checking in with wifi better for generating memories / uploading photos than for checking of emails and taking conference calls? We think it is!

In this podcast we talked mind, body, spirit and the value of truly being nice to yourself, having purpose, naming your pack animal and of avoiding, at all costs; Japanese flemm balls.  

What we talked about:

  1. Why your brain loves good storytelling (
  2. What to ask the person in the mirror (
  3. The Best Exotic Marigold Hotel
  4. Lion

Ep 10 Buzzwords and Let it go Let it go…

It’s all very well that corporate teams bemuse themselves and each other with upbeat buzzwords – but are the 2017 buzzwords that chase workplace ‘happiness’ and ‘wellbeing’ actually driving us insane? Are we a getter to just let it go and grab the feel-goods in movies and books without all of the other palava?

What we talked about:

  1. #DoSomething
  2. Judith’s whole orange and white chocolate cake
  3. Kinky Boots
  4. The Big Short & Bridget Jones’s Baby

Ep 09 Confusing your personal brand

We’re all unique; but today, we chat about your personal brand and what / how you need to pick your best brand. We talked about those whose brand is crap, whose brand has been heavily manufactured, and whose brand is on point.

We debated the importance of sleep, meditation, drinking sweet tea, Women in Safety and Health (WISH) and one of our favourites; the Royal Family.   

What we talked about:

  1. French Earl Grey Tea
  2. The Dollop podcast (all about Uber)
  3. Thrive, Arianna Huffington
  4. Being a Hills District Mum (groan)
  5. Work Strife Balance (Mia Freeman)
  6. Victoria


EP 08 What the? Volunteer? Work with the Aged?

For a chat involving no wine and no food, this episode charters some deep waters – discussing how volunteering and working with the aged is changing and has had to change. We talked conversations you must have with your sons and we share research on how money can indeed buy you happiness – that is, when you don’t spend it on yourself!

Disfrutar & adios amigos…

What we talked about:

  1. Ten Conversations you must have with your son
  2. How to buy happiness
  3. Kelly’s current NFP Boards: ICLA & RDAA